Breve Análise do Portátil Lenovo ThinkBook Plus: Tela E-Ink exclusiva em combinação com hardware médio
Rating | Date | Model | Weight | Height | Size | Resolution | Price |
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86.9 % v7 (old) | 10/2020 | Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 i7-10510U, UHD Graphics 620 | 1.4 kg | 17.4 mm | 13.30" | 1920x1080 | |
85.1 % v7 (old) | Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 i5-10210U, UHD Graphics 620 | 859 g | 17.9 mm | 13.30" | 1920x1080 | ||
83.7 % v7 (old) | Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 i5-8265U, UHD Graphics 620 | 900 g | 15 mm | 13.30" | 1920x1080 | ||
89.5 % v7 (old) | 08/2020 | Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 R7 PRO 4750U, Vega 7 | 1.3 kg | 16.9 mm | 13.30" | 1920x1080 |
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Size Comparison
Networking | |
iperf3 transmit AX12 | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Average Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX201 (49.8 - 1775, n=324) | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 | |
iperf3 receive AX12 | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Average Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX201 (136 - 1743, n=324) | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 |
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iluminação: 89 %
iluminação com acumulador: 328 cd/m²
Contraste: 1562:1 (Preto: 0.21 cd/m²)
ΔE Color 6.4 | 0.5-29.43 Ø4.91, calibrated: 1.2
ΔE Greyscale 6.5 | 0.5-98 Ø5.2
95.9% sRGB (Argyll 1.6.3 3D)
61.6% AdobeRGB 1998 (Argyll 1.6.3 3D)
67% AdobeRGB 1998 (Argyll 2.2.0 3D)
96.1% sRGB (Argyll 2.2.0 3D)
66% Display P3 (Argyll 2.2.0 3D)
Gamma: 2.87
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 LP133WF7-SPB1, IPS LED, 1920x1080, 13.3" | Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 Toshiba TOS508F, IPS, 1920x1080, 13.3" | Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 Sharp SHP14BD, IPS, 1920x1080, 13.3" | Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 B133HAK01.1, IPS LED, 1920x1080, 13.3" | |
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Display | 1% | -1% | -2% | |
Display P3 Coverage | 66 | 66.9 1% | 65.3 -1% | 64.8 -2% |
sRGB Coverage | 96.1 | 97.6 2% | 95 -1% | 95.6 -1% |
AdobeRGB 1998 Coverage | 67 | 67.8 1% | 66 -1% | 65.7 -2% |
Response Times | -7% | 2% | 0% | |
Response Time Grey 50% / Grey 80% * | 53.6 ? | 54.8 ? -2% | 55.2 ? -3% | 56.8 ? -6% |
Response Time Black / White * | 32 ? | 35.6 ? -11% | 29.6 ? 7% | 30 ? 6% |
PWM Frequency | 23810 ? | 211.9 ? | ||
Screen | 17% | -2% | 1% | |
Brightness middle | 328 | 482 47% | 384 17% | 331 1% |
Brightness | 329 | 452 37% | 362 10% | 315 -4% |
Brightness Distribution | 89 | 91 2% | 90 1% | 90 1% |
Black Level * | 0.21 | 0.4 -90% | 0.31 -48% | 0.21 -0% |
Contrast | 1562 | 1205 -23% | 1239 -21% | 1576 1% |
Colorchecker dE 2000 * | 6.4 | 1.85 71% | 4.8 25% | 6.1 5% |
Colorchecker dE 2000 max. * | 11.2 | 3.08 72% | 9.4 16% | 10 11% |
Colorchecker dE 2000 calibrated * | 1.2 | 1.2 -0% | 1.4 -17% | 1.2 -0% |
Greyscale dE 2000 * | 6.5 | 2 69% | 6.6 -2% | 6.3 3% |
Gamma | 2.87 77% | 2.1 105% | 2.2 100% | 2.77 79% |
CCT | 6428 101% | 6822 95% | 7999 81% | 6938 94% |
Color Space (Percent of AdobeRGB 1998) | 61.6 | 62.5 1% | 61.2 -1% | 60.7 -1% |
Color Space (Percent of sRGB) | 95.9 | 97.7 2% | 95 -1% | 95.4 -1% |
Total Average (Program / Settings) | 4% /
11% | -0% /
-1% | -0% /
1% |
* ... smaller is better
Display Response Times
↔ Response Time Black to White | ||
---|---|---|
32 ms ... rise ↗ and fall ↘ combined | ↗ 18 ms rise | |
↘ 14 ms fall | ||
The screen shows slow response rates in our tests and will be unsatisfactory for gamers. In comparison, all tested devices range from 0.1 (minimum) to 240 (maximum) ms. » 84 % of all devices are better. This means that the measured response time is worse than the average of all tested devices (20.9 ms). | ||
↔ Response Time 50% Grey to 80% Grey | ||
53.6 ms ... rise ↗ and fall ↘ combined | ↗ 26 ms rise | |
↘ 27.6 ms fall | ||
The screen shows slow response rates in our tests and will be unsatisfactory for gamers. In comparison, all tested devices range from 0.165 (minimum) to 636 (maximum) ms. » 89 % of all devices are better. This means that the measured response time is worse than the average of all tested devices (32.8 ms). |
Screen Flickering / PWM (Pulse-Width Modulation)
Screen flickering / PWM not detected | |||
In comparison: 53 % of all tested devices do not use PWM to dim the display. If PWM was detected, an average of 8715 (minimum: 5 - maximum: 343500) Hz was measured. |
Cinebench R15: CPU Multi 64Bit | CPU Single 64Bit
Blender: v2.79 BMW27 CPU
7-Zip 18.03: 7z b 4 -mmt1 | 7z b 4
Geekbench 5.5: Single-Core | Multi-Core
HWBOT x265 Benchmark v2.2: 4k Preset
LibreOffice : 20 Documents To PDF
R Benchmark 2.5: Overall mean
Cinebench R20 / CPU (Multi Core) | |
Average of class Subnotebook (579 - 8541, n=60, last 2 years) | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Acer SF514-55T | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
Average Intel Core i7-10510U (1015 - 1897, n=38) | |
Asus ZenBook 13 UX325JA | |
Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 |
Cinebench R20 / CPU (Single Core) | |
Average of class Subnotebook (128 - 790, n=60, last 2 years) | |
Acer SF514-55T | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Asus ZenBook 13 UX325JA | |
Average Intel Core i7-10510U (362 - 497, n=37) | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 |
Cinebench R15 / CPU Multi 64Bit | |
Average of class Subnotebook (327 - 3345, n=66, last 2 years) | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Acer SF514-55T | |
Asus ZenBook 13 UX325JA | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
Average Intel Core i7-10510U (482 - 856, n=45) | |
Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 |
Cinebench R15 / CPU Single 64Bit | |
Average of class Subnotebook (72.4 - 307, n=61, last 2 years) | |
Acer SF514-55T | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Asus ZenBook 13 UX325JA | |
Average Intel Core i7-10510U (113 - 202, n=42) | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 |
Blender / v2.79 BMW27 CPU | |
Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 | |
Asus ZenBook 13 UX325JA | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Average Intel Core i7-10510U (628 - 1051, n=31) | |
Acer SF514-55T | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Average of class Subnotebook (159 - 2271, n=64, last 2 years) |
7-Zip 18.03 / 7z b 4 -mmt1 | |
Average of class Subnotebook (2669 - 6403, n=59, last 2 years) | |
Acer SF514-55T | |
Average Intel Core i7-10510U (3747 - 4981, n=31) | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
Asus ZenBook 13 UX325JA | |
Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 |
7-Zip 18.03 / 7z b 4 | |
Average of class Subnotebook (11775 - 77867, n=57, last 2 years) | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Acer SF514-55T | |
Average Intel Core i7-10510U (12196 - 21298, n=31) | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 | |
Asus ZenBook 13 UX325JA |
Geekbench 5.5 / Single-Core | |
Average of class Subnotebook (621 - 2350, n=59, last 2 years) | |
Acer SF514-55T | |
Asus ZenBook 13 UX325JA | |
Average Intel Core i7-10510U (977 - 1287, n=31) | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 |
Geekbench 5.5 / Multi-Core | |
Average of class Subnotebook (2557 - 14728, n=59, last 2 years) | |
Acer SF514-55T | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Asus ZenBook 13 UX325JA | |
Average Intel Core i7-10510U (2474 - 4484, n=31) | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 |
HWBOT x265 Benchmark v2.2 / 4k Preset | |
Average of class Subnotebook (0.97 - 25.1, n=59, last 2 years) | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Acer SF514-55T | |
Average Intel Core i7-10510U (3.41 - 6.04, n=31) | |
Asus ZenBook 13 UX325JA | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 |
LibreOffice / 20 Documents To PDF | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Average Intel Core i7-10510U (50.7 - 77.8, n=27) | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Average of class Subnotebook (38.5 - 220, n=58, last 2 years) | |
Asus ZenBook 13 UX325JA | |
Acer SF514-55T |
R Benchmark 2.5 / Overall mean | |
Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
Asus ZenBook 13 UX325JA | |
Average Intel Core i7-10510U (0.637 - 0.81, n=28) | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Acer SF514-55T | |
Average of class Subnotebook (0.413 - 1.456, n=59, last 2 years) |
* ... smaller is better
PCMark 8 | |
Home Score Accelerated v2 | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Average Intel Core i7-10510U, Intel UHD Graphics 620 (3157 - 4251, n=13) | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
Average of class Subnotebook (1739 - 4730, n=2, last 2 years) | |
Work Score Accelerated v2 | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Average Intel Core i7-10510U, Intel UHD Graphics 620 (3734 - 5366, n=13) | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
Average of class Subnotebook (1609 - 5271, n=2, last 2 years) |
PCMark 8 Home Score Accelerated v2 | 3454 pontos | |
PCMark 8 Work Score Accelerated v2 | 3734 pontos | |
PCMark 10 Score | 4052 pontos | |
Ajuda |
DPC Latencies / LatencyMon - interrupt to process latency (max), Web, Youtube, Prime95 | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 |
* ... smaller is better
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 WDC PC SN730 SDBPNTY-512G | Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 Samsung SSD PM981a MZVLB512HBJQ | Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 Samsung SSD PM981 MZVLB512HAJQ | Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 Samsung SSD PM981a MZVLB512HBJQ | Average WDC PC SN730 SDBPNTY-512G | |
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CrystalDiskMark 5.2 / 6 | 7% | -4% | 2% | 10% | |
Write 4K | 135.4 | 164.1 21% | 159 17% | 95.7 -29% | 164.3 ? 21% |
Read 4K | 48.83 | 49.34 1% | 48.12 -1% | 37.47 -23% | 48.2 ? -1% |
Write Seq | 2036 | 1777 -13% | 1657 -19% | 2032 0% | 2096 ? 3% |
Read Seq | 2127 | 1752 -18% | 1522 -28% | 2207 4% | 2123 ? 0% |
Write 4K Q32T1 | 394.1 | 401.1 2% | 349.2 -11% | 517 31% | 451 ? 14% |
Read 4K Q32T1 | 345.2 | 498.7 44% | 452.2 31% | 387 12% | 509 ? 47% |
Write Seq Q32T1 | 2700 | 2988 11% | 1941 -28% | 2977 10% | 2551 ? -6% |
Read Seq Q32T1 | 3331 | 3544 6% | 3510 5% | 3556 7% | 3330 ? 0% |
Sustained Read Performance: DiskSpd Read Loop, Queue Depth 8
3DMark 11 - 1280x720 Performance GPU | |
Average of class Subnotebook (968 - 16296, n=56, last 2 years) | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Average Intel UHD Graphics 620 (1144 - 3432, n=244) | |
Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 |
3DMark | |
1280x720 Cloud Gate Standard Graphics | |
Average of class Subnotebook (5577 - 58319, n=30, last 2 years) | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Average Intel UHD Graphics 620 (6205 - 16400, n=225) | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
1920x1080 Fire Strike Graphics | |
Average of class Subnotebook (832 - 11887, n=60, last 2 years) | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Average Intel UHD Graphics 620 (557 - 2608, n=213) | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 | |
2560x1440 Time Spy Graphics | |
Average of class Subnotebook (804 - 4501, n=61, last 2 years) | |
Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 | |
Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 | |
Average Intel UHD Graphics 620 (299 - 797, n=88) | |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 |
3DMark 11 Performance | 1909 pontos | |
3DMark Cloud Gate Standard Score | 7366 pontos | |
3DMark Fire Strike Score | 988 pontos | |
3DMark Time Spy Score | 395 pontos | |
Ajuda |
baixo | média | alto | ultra | |
---|---|---|---|---|
The Witcher 3 (2015) | 15.9 | |||
Dota 2 Reborn (2015) | 65.6 | 39.4 | 18.5 | 16.5 |
X-Plane 11.11 (2018) | 11.5 | 10.3 | 9.58 | |
Shadow of the Tomb Raider (2018) | 16.3 | |||
Total War: Three Kingdoms (2019) | 18.2 |
Barulho
Ocioso |
| 29.3 / 29.3 / 30.1 dB |
Carga |
| 30.9 / 32.5 dB |
| ||
30 dB silencioso 40 dB(A) audível 50 dB(A) ruidosamente alto |
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min: , med: , max: Audix TM-1, Arta (15 cm de distância) environment noise: 29.3 dB(A) |
(+) The maximum temperature on the upper side is 33 °C / 91 F, compared to the average of 35.9 °C / 97 F, ranging from 21.4 to 59 °C for the class Subnotebook.
(+) The bottom heats up to a maximum of 38.8 °C / 102 F, compared to the average of 39.4 °C / 103 F
(+) In idle usage, the average temperature for the upper side is 25.1 °C / 77 F, compared to the device average of 30.8 °C / 87 F.
(+) The palmrests and touchpad are cooler than skin temperature with a maximum of 24.6 °C / 76.3 F and are therefore cool to the touch.
(+) The average temperature of the palmrest area of similar devices was 28.3 °C / 82.9 F (+3.7 °C / 6.6 F).
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 audio analysis
(-) | not very loud speakers (71.7 dB)
Bass 100 - 315 Hz
(-) | nearly no bass - on average 15% lower than median
(-) | bass is not linear (16.1% delta to prev. frequency)
Mids 400 - 2000 Hz
(±) | higher mids - on average 5.9% higher than median
(+) | mids are linear (5.6% delta to prev. frequency)
Highs 2 - 16 kHz
(+) | balanced highs - only 3.6% away from median
(±) | linearity of highs is average (9% delta to prev. frequency)
Overall 100 - 16.000 Hz
(±) | linearity of overall sound is average (23.9% difference to median)
Compared to same class
» 79% of all tested devices in this class were better, 4% similar, 16% worse
» The best had a delta of 5%, average was 19%, worst was 53%
Compared to all devices tested
» 69% of all tested devices were better, 7% similar, 24% worse
» The best had a delta of 4%, average was 25%, worst was 134%
Apple MacBook 12 (Early 2016) 1.1 GHz audio analysis
(+) | speakers can play relatively loud (83.6 dB)
Bass 100 - 315 Hz
(±) | reduced bass - on average 11.3% lower than median
(±) | linearity of bass is average (14.2% delta to prev. frequency)
Mids 400 - 2000 Hz
(+) | balanced mids - only 2.4% away from median
(+) | mids are linear (5.5% delta to prev. frequency)
Highs 2 - 16 kHz
(+) | balanced highs - only 2% away from median
(+) | highs are linear (4.5% delta to prev. frequency)
Overall 100 - 16.000 Hz
(+) | overall sound is linear (10.2% difference to median)
Compared to same class
» 6% of all tested devices in this class were better, 2% similar, 92% worse
» The best had a delta of 5%, average was 19%, worst was 53%
Compared to all devices tested
» 4% of all tested devices were better, 1% similar, 95% worse
» The best had a delta of 4%, average was 25%, worst was 134%
desligado | 0.77 / 2.7 Watt |
Ocioso | 4.5 / 6.9 / 7.92 Watt |
Carga |
30 / 32.6 Watt |
Key:
min: ,
med: ,
max: Metrahit Energy |
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 i7-10510U, UHD Graphics 620, WDC PC SN730 SDBPNTY-512G, IPS LED, 1920x1080, 13.3" | Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 i5-10210U, UHD Graphics 620, Samsung SSD PM981a MZVLB512HBJQ, IPS, 1920x1080, 13.3" | Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 i5-8265U, UHD Graphics 620, Samsung SSD PM981 MZVLB512HAJQ, IPS, 1920x1080, 13.3" | Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 R7 PRO 4750U, Vega 7, Samsung SSD PM981a MZVLB512HBJQ, IPS LED, 1920x1080, 13.3" | Average Intel UHD Graphics 620 | Average of class Subnotebook | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Power Consumption | -1% | -10% | -27% | -12% | -38% | |
Idle Minimum * | 4.5 | 2.8 38% | 3.1 31% | 6 -33% | 3.81 ? 15% | 4.44 ? 1% |
Idle Average * | 6.9 | 4.9 29% | 5.9 14% | 8.9 -29% | 6.94 ? -1% | 7.55 ? -9% |
Idle Maximum * | 7.92 | 9 -14% | 9.2 -16% | 11.3 -43% | 8.75 ? -10% | 9.45 ? -19% |
Load Average * | 30 | 31.2 -4% | 35.8 -19% | 34.2 -14% | 35 ? -17% | 45.8 ? -53% |
Load Maximum * | 32.6 | 49.4 -52% | 51.9 -59% | 37.2 -14% | 47.5 ? -46% | 68.4 ? -110% |
* ... smaller is better
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7 i7-10510U, UHD Graphics 620, 45 Wh | Dynabook Portege X30L-G1331 i5-10210U, UHD Graphics 620, 42 Wh | Fujitsu Lifebook U939 i5 i5-8265U, UHD Graphics 620, 50 Wh | Lenovo ThinkPad X13-20UGS00800 R7 PRO 4750U, Vega 7, 48 Wh | Average of class Subnotebook | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Battery Runtime | 1% | 0% | -7% | 40% | |
H.264 | 546 | 495 -9% | 911 ? 67% | ||
WiFi v1.3 | 496 | 500 1% | 494 0% | 522 5% | 726 ? 46% |
Load | 109 | 92 -16% | 115.4 ? 6% |
Pro
Contra
E-ink ou não e-ink? Essa será inevitavelmente a questão principal a ser considerada, caso você esteja interessado no ThinkBook Plus. Se você realmente pretende usar a tela e-ink na tampa da tela, então essa pergunta já foi respondida e a decisão de compra provavelmente já foi tomada.
Além dessa característica reconhecidamente única, encontramos poucos ou nenhum feito interessante. Teclado, carcaça e tela LCD são decentes, mas não melhores do que a média em sua classe, assim como a duração da bateria. O ThinkBook Plus tem o benefício de baixas temperaturas, bem como a caneta digitalizadora incluída para a tela de e-ink. Que, por sua vez, é seu maior e mais proeminente benefício e sem dúvida seu único ponto de venda.
Por outro lado, está equipado com CPUs Comet Lake desatualizadas da Intel para o qual não encontramos absolutamente nenhuma explicação, pois, ao contrário dos portáteis empresariais reais da Lenovo, o vPro nem mesmo é suportado. Consequentemente, a falta desempenho, que é ainda mais fortalecida pelo fato de que o ThinkBook Plus não tenha suporte para RAM de canal duplo devido ao seu único slot de RAM. Sua conectividade (sem Thunderbolt, sem microSD) e segurança são comparativamente pobres, e sua garantia padrão de apenas 12 meses é quase um insulto para um portátil nesta faixa de preço.
A tela e-ink é o único recurso exclusivo e especial do ThinkBook Plus. Se você não está interessado nele, estará melhor com outro dispositivo.
Existem vários portáteis de 13,3 polegadas melhores do que o Lenovo ThinkBook Plus. Só se você realmente precisar ou quiser aquele monitor e-ink, vale a pena comprar.
Observação: dado que, de outra forma, não seríamos capazes de considerar a tela e-ink em nossa classificação, aumentamos a pontuação total do ThinkBook Plus em um ponto.
Lenovo ThinkBook Plus 13 i7
- 09/28/2020 v7 (old)
Benjamin Herzig